it comes in pints?

That's rather comparable to voting on the 100 best sharp objects to poke into my eye.

Then don't vote, Old Fogey.

I wasn't planning on it.

I figured as much when I posted this. I know how much you old folks just aren't hip with the kids. ;P

My mother in law has just had her hip replaced. She's now 350% more cool. Or at least she will be when she can walk properly again.

It's got to be Anarchy In The UK hasn't it? Anything else is just an inferior copy.

I'll have Love Comes in Spurts by Richard Hell and the Voidoids in second spot.

I kind of outgrew the Sex Pistols pretty quick, though I still have my copy of that album on vinyl that I proudly bought when I was 13.

GAH!! Anarchy In The UK isn't even on the list!! It's mostly that Johnny come-lately Californian "punk". Punk either comes from CBGB's or Britain and then only from the 1970's.

No punk poll without New Rose, Babylon's Burning, Ever Fallen In Love..., The Sound of the Suburbs, Garry Gilmore's Eyes, The Day the World Turned Day-Glo orIf The Kids Are You United is worthy of the term.

I'm spoiling my ballot.

Don't dis my geezerhood. I earned every damn minute of it.

Sorry, 'New Rose' on the list.

Mark,
Yeah, but they've got "God Save The Queen" on the list. And not one Stiff Little Fingers song!

But be careful where you're treading there, man. You're talking about my home turf and if you think Black Flag isn't punk, I'm going to have to fight you over it.

I'm not dissing it, Ken. Just pointing it out. We appreciate the wisdom and creative perversion that your many, many, many, many, many years bring.

Hey, these lists are always arbitary. I'm big on early DC punk and my co blogger is big on mid 80s California punk. Just the way it is. Lists were made for arguing about!

Kids are United isn't there, but I'm pretty sure there's a Sham 69 song in there.

Of course they are, Michele. The only thing more annoying than personal "best 100" lists are people who complain that they don't suit their tastes 100% ;)

There's still a lot of great stuff on there. Mark's just a pissed off Brit who, like most of his countrymen, innately believes all things native to be superior.

Sorry, I don't mean to be taking anything away with your hard work in setting up the poll Michelle.

Mark,
In the e-mail she sent announcing the poll, she said "feel free to argue or add your own," so I don't think she minds much.

'Superior' is an odd phrase to use about punk. Punk was a reaction to the general shittyness of the times. There was nothing superior about Britain as "the sick man of Europe", when the country is broke, hlaf of it is on strike and there's an overidding fear of there being "No Future" (Hey, we know a song about that!).

Nah, I don't mind at all. Part of the fun of all this is in the debate. I welcome your differing - if vasty inferior - opinion.

I only get mad when someone says GBH sucks. ;)

Dude, Grody Butt Hairs fans can suck it. :)

They don't have "Hey Man, Nice Shot" by Filter - I'm listening to it right now, it's good.

I think a lot of people might argue that Filter isn't punk.

Filter /= punk.

I'm with you Ken, and I'm no where near the fogey you are. Greatest coupled with Punk Songs is an oxymoron.

Just thought you'd appreciate some back-up out there among the heathen.

Thanks John. I think you also saved me from a butt-kickin' for linking to this.

There are punk-purists?? An Officially Sanctioned Punk-theme thing?? Sorry I intruded.

There are purists for everything, DirtCrashr. No need to apologize, I'm not one of them and I wasn't jumping down your throat, just warning you that a lot of people would.

Damn you DirtCrashr! How could anyone possibly think that Filter is punk? How?!?

On a serious note, I think Michelle and the Turtle did a great job and it's an admirable list.

So what "is" Filter? I'm not musically astute in today's vernacular. That Punk would have its purists seems to me un-Punk (more like Ponque) but I'm a Ken-Age geezer and was out of school before music-theory was further catagorized along various collegiate lines of refinement. Punk was the first really loud headbanging slam-dancing music so I associate on that level - I did enjoy the Ramones at the Santa Cruz Civic, and the Dead Kennedys and Buzzcocks at the Catalyst. Jello is a snotty little dickhead though.

DirtCrashr,
I don't know and like I said, I'm not a purist, so I'm not going to bother trying to define it. I'm sure there's some stuck up know-it-all that would, but the only time I really object to calling a band "punk" is when it's applied to MTV-friendly, photo-genic, pop bands like Green Day. And even then, I'm not going to start a campaign to make it stop.

Jello IS a snotty dickhead. I can't stand that guy.

The only song of Filter's I'm familiar with is "Nice Shot" and based on that tune, I'd call them Pop-Industrial, akin to Nine Inch Nails and mid-90s Ministry. That's just my assumption and it's hard to do. Different folks have different ideas of what defines a genre of music.

Punk, industrial, metal are all subgenres of rock. And each of those have their own subgenres. When I was younger, I went to great pains to define the bands I like. Some of the bands on FTTW list I wouldn't call punk, or would go to pains to define them as a sub-genre of punk such as skate punk (a la DRI), but that's splitting hairs even more so than I'm currently doing.

"Jello IS a snotty dickhead"

Is that why Cosby stopped doing the commercials? [ducks]

When I was a kid, I read about construction workers beating up hippies. While I understood the political differences and all that, I never understood why anyone would want to beat someone up just because of the way they look.

Then punk came along, and suddenly I understood.

Ah-ok it's a muddle.
I'm aware there are many more genres now, and that MTV's a driver - but it came on the scene as I was exiting and I've never had Cable or watched it - I've only "heard" Green Day, and the Filter song I like is "Hey Man Nice Shot" - I couldn't tell you about anything else of theirs.

Ken's used to getting beat down. When he saw Fay Wray, he wanted to be dressed just the same.

Yea, I'd defintely call Filter industrial metal.

And Jello? Total dick.

Thanks for expanding my musical lexicon! Coked-up short little Napoleonic dick-runt with SPS (small peepee syndrom). One good smack would have been all it took, but you'd have never heard the end of the whining.

About the looks, Ken, I'm with ya on that, too. I went to college in the heartland, not much of that going on, so when I encountered my first scowling punks in Eastern cities, I almost laughed. They were not tough-looking to me. I felt like saying:

"When I was a kid and we lived up on the mountain, a couple of guys at the juke joint a ways down our road got in a drunken argument over which came first, the chicken or the egg, and an ear got sliced off in the ensuing melee. Southern Rednecks are to casual violence what you are to stupid hairsyles, so if you really want to look tough, loose the studded leather and get a buck knife, a flannel shirt, a can of Copenhagen, and a drawl. Oh yes, and a job."

;-)

John, is that anything like "I walked to school uphill both ways in the snow"?

Yup. ;-)

I've got lots of good redneck stories, and unfortunately all of them are true. Jeff Foxworthy's line about being a redneck if you've ever had your Camaro get stuck in the top of a tree? Done by a senior at my high school coming around a particularly tight curve on a mountain road back in 1985.

Apparently we had some rednecks in Santa Cruz, too, if you replace "tree" with "roof of the Der Weinerschnitzel on Mission Street".

Seriously, the roof.

Plenty of rednecks in Santa Cruz, Boulder Creek, and the surrounds - if you weren't a hippie you were a redneck. Or an axe murderer. Most of the tree-drivers I remember were fatalities.

Definitely more than its share of mass murderers, axes and otherwise.

The Clash is the only punk band I can think of that I'd listen to. Favorite songs: "Radio Clash," "London's Calling," and, of course, "Rock the Casbah."