Religious tolerance is offensive to God?
A chaplain who leads a Bible study inside the State Capitol is facing heavy criticism for saying religious tolerance is offensive to God.Okay, I'll try to be charitable and assume that's not exactly how he phrased it.
The gathering was much smaller than usual after Drollinger blogged that religious tolerance and the work of another non-denominational group were offensive to God.Okay, charity is wearing a bit thin now. But I'll still try to maintain some charitability and assume it was just a poor (REALLY POOR) choice of words.Drollinger wrote, "Although they are pleasant men in their personal demeanor, their group is more than disgusting to our lord and savior."
This isn't the first time Drollinger's comments have caused controversy. In 2004, female lawmakers wore aprons to work in protest after Drollinger said women lawmakers who left their children at home were sinners.This is looking like a pattern, so charity just went out the window.
Bugger off, goober.
Posted by Ken S at February 28, 2008 02:47 PM | TrackBack (0) |Here are his actual remarks.
I don't know. I try to stay away from that kind of drama. Obviously if people are sacrificing their children to Moloch you don't want to tolerate that. Generally speaking, I suppose adults can be trusted to find their own way.
Well, he is a little pissy about the "worshiping other gods" thing. In the Old Testament, he can scarcely turn his back without the Israelites running off with Ba'al or Golden Calves. He has some trust issues after that, I think.
Posted by: Tainted Bill at February 28, 2008 04:46 PMheh, Bill, when I feel like messing with my more religious friends, I ask them things like, "Well, if God is the one true God, then why did he need the first commandment? I mean, if there are no other gods, why does he need to worry about people worshiping them? Kind of petty, don'tcha think?"
Posted by: KG at February 28, 2008 05:14 PMHeh heh heh.
One thing that always got me about the Golden Calf story...these people had just witnessed the ten plagues and the parting of the Red Sea and the subsequent drowning of the Egyptian Army. Why on Earth would they decide to create another god when they just saw how their existing one handled the last group of people who pissed him off?
Posted by: Tainted Bill at February 28, 2008 05:21 PMYeah, that OT God was a righteous ass kicker. He was as cool as George Washington.
Posted by: Ken S, Fifth String on the Banjo of Life at February 28, 2008 06:12 PMFrom reading the news stories and the link that Laura provided, I don't see what the big deal is. So some of the bible study group went "Anglican" and he criticized them for it. Call me when he starts talking about beheadings or other methods of death to infidels.
Posted by: Dave E. at February 28, 2008 08:17 PMActually, Bill, I read a book a while back, called A History of God that, IIRC talked about that sort of question. Basically, said that the Israelites were (at one time) polytheists, and many of the traditions held up even after they became monotheists. There was also some discuss, again, IIRC, that the God of the Old Testament was actually a couple of different gods at different times in history. The book's well worth the read (the author is a former nun, so she probably knows her stuff)
Posted by: KG at February 28, 2008 08:43 PM"the God of the Old Testament was actually a couple of different gods at different times in history."
Not surprising, if you consider that, as the Bible says, he revealed himself to different people at different times. Why would he let everybody stumble around in complete ignorance until he started talking to Abraham?
Posted by: Laura(southernxyl) at February 29, 2008 04:42 AMHey, the coolest thing about the Golden Calf story is Eddie G. Robinson...
Posted by: Mr. Bingley at February 29, 2008 04:43 AM(the author is a former nun, so she probably knows her stuff)
I would say, rather, that she probably has a few axes to grind.
Posted by: Mr. Bingley at February 29, 2008 04:45 AMKG,
I have heard about the early Israelis being polytheistic, some even believe that strict monotheism did not come into being until the Babylonian Exile and the influence of Zoroastrianism. I haven't read the book, but I may look into it.
Posted by: Tainted Bill at February 29, 2008 05:07 AMConsidering how easily people fall into and out of earthly loves, the First Commandment strikes me as a sensible precaution. =)
Posted by: nightfly at February 29, 2008 07:14 AMKaren Armstrong does indeed have axes to grind, Bill. I made it partway into the book before I tossed it aside. There didn't seem to be anything new in it; the only thing she was certain of was that the orthodox view just couldn't be right. Everything else was up for grabs.
The OT was a little vague on whether any of the gentiles' gods actually existed, but the first commandment kind of coppers the Israelites' bets on it. Whether they're real or not is irrelevant; they only have one god either way.
I sort of sympathize with this guy Drollinger, not wanting to do an Armstrong on his religion. But in that case, he's just not cut out for a ministry like this one. (And I'd say that even if he hadn't lumped me in with the heathen.)
Posted by: Joel, president of Catholics for Xenu at February 29, 2008 11:23 AM"Putting words in God's mouth" has always been my definition of blasphemy.
Posted by: mojo at February 29, 2008 02:49 PMI've always figured that saying "Thus saith the Lord" when He didn't actually saith it was the definition of taking the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Posted by: Joel at February 29, 2008 09:34 PM