April 11, 2008
Fat Bottomed Girls
[NEW UPDATE: Okay, moved pics away from the Puritans at photobucket and proper nudieness has been restored, provided Comcast doesn't all bluenose too]
Fat bottomed girls, you make the rockin' world go 'round, and Monica Grenfell can go to hell.
She seems to be some sort of "celebrity nutritionist" in the UK. Whatever.
She also seems to have an issue with people who don't conform to her rather narrow view of what constitutes acceptable body size. Whatever.
Especially, she seems to have it in for a plus-sized 17-year-old girl named Chloe who became a beauty queen, is in the running for Miss England, and is comfortable in her own body. Whatever.
She seems to think that plus-sized women demonstrate a "shocking lack of self-control." Whatever.
And, for a "celebrity nutritionist", she seems to have some rather out-dated information on weight and body types. Whatever.
Warning: Possible bad language! Also, nudie pictures!
You have been warned.
I'll preface this by saying that, like lots of men, I tend to find slim women more physically attractive than fat women. Notice that I said "slim", not "anorexic" or even "skinny". Notice also that I said "fat", not "slightly overweight" or even just "overweight". The range of body types that is pleasing to my eye is fairly wide, perhaps wider than for most men though I doubt it.
I'll also note that I do agree with Ms. Grenfell that kids today are too often overweight, and that this is largely because of lifestyle. Kids don't seem to play outside as much as they used to, though I suppose soccer moms might disagree with that. They often tend to eat too much snack food and fast food, as often do their parents. I also agree that the young lady in question is a little heavier than most 17-year-olds should be, but that looks to my untrained eye to be her natural body type rather than simply eating too much.
In fact, if Ms. Grenfell had limited herself to comments like these, and about being fit and eating a good diet, that would have been fine. But no, she has to delve into vile bilge right from the headline:
A role model for ordinary women? No, Miss England finalist is fat, lazy and a poster girl for ill healthFUCK.
YOU.
BITCH.
This girl is NOT "fat":
Now, I joked about Monica Lewinsky like a lot of other people, but one thing that bothered me a little was when people called her "fat". She wasn't except in comparison to the stereotype of the "trophy mistress" one expects a rich, powerful, middle-aged horndog to latch onto. But "fat" in any kind of objective sense? No.
But let us continue with Ms. Grenfell:
Chloe is a stark reminder that obesity is now virtually normal in our society - and we should all be hanging our heads in shame.This girl is NOT "obese":
Ms. Grenfell hangs her hat on that ridiculous Body Mass Index. A BMI number may mean something but the categories are utterly irrational - the fact that Arnold Schwarzeneggar is technically "obese" says it all..
She is an ambassador not for the beautiful larger lady as she'd have us believe but a poster girl for diabetes, strokes, heart attacks, cancers and all the other devastating and potentially fatal health problems that are caused or exacerbated by obesity ... Devastating conditions - from Type 2 diabetes to heart problems and many cancers - are caused or exacerbated by obesity.Well, what a pantload of crap. Yes, those conditions are associated with obesity. OBESITY, not a few extra pounds. Not much for even a couple of extra stone.
But here is where Ms. Grenfell demonstrates a complete disregard for different people.
Chloe argued last week that she has a healthy diet and exercises regularly.And it's also possible if your metabolism is naturally slow."I refuse to starve myself to turn my body into something it was never meant to be," she said.
I don't doubt she is telling truth. But yet again she is exposing another myth - that you need to starve yourself to be a healthy weight, and that only junk food makes you fat.
Getting fat by eating good food is perfectly possible - if you eat too much of it
Grenfell completely ignores that different people have different metabolisms, that there are people who can eat whatever they want without gaining weight and others who can't. I'm one of the lucky ones in the former group. I used to eat more than anyone I knew (including men twice my weight) and stayed at my high school weight of 140 lbs. well into my thirties. Well, there was a brief excursion when I first encountered the unlimited quanties of fats and starches that passed for cafeteria food my first quarter of college, but my Dad thought I looked much better with a few more pounds on my 5'10" frame (pounds which were shed very shortly thereafter).
Daughter Number Two is even worse than I. She is very (to my eye) underweight and can't seem to gain an ounce, much as I would like that.
But I always recognized that others were not so lucky. And I was never so arrogant as to think that "lack of self-control" is easy for someone who actually needs self control. It's kind of like someone who never touched tobacco telling a smoker he lacks "self-control" because he can't quit.
Anyway, bottom line on Ms. Grenfell is that she wants to put all women into that narrow, society-induced band that nutjob feminists scream about (for once, I'm not totally unsympathetic to the nutjob feminists). Fortunately, many of the commenters call her on her load of crap, so please do click through and read all the comments (about 30 when I looked).
However, not all of the commenters were so kind to Chloe:
Can someone enlighten me, (male or female) just what is attractive about huge hips and enormous thighs, calves and ankles?HUGE?Oh, BITE ME, bitch.
She is, at most, a large framed gal who looks pretty toned for her weight, and her nether parts are NOT "enormous":
As more a enlightened commenter said,
Chloe is hardly obese. In fact I think that she is well proportioned and an excellent role model for young girls and women who perhaps become obsessed with their weight and image from the ideal that the media and self proclaimed experts say is the norm.Right on. Not that I want girls to look like Rosie O'Donnell, but ribs ain't pretty. Ever. And Chloe looks a hell of a lot better, sexier, and healthier than, say, Calista FlockhartI for one would certainly prefer to see Chloe and her likes walking up and down the runway showing off the latest fashions than some string bean who looks as if she is about to fall down or snap through lack strength to hold herself up.
Another turd of a retard in the comments claims that:
Whilst concepts of beauty can be culturally influenced, as with the long-necked women of Africa or the foot-bound women once found in China, this only relates to what can be termed as extreme fashion. The most marked aspect of the concept of beauty is its consistency across geography and time.Oh really? Blow me, asshole.
Let's just see what some great artists of the past several centuries, artists such as Raphael, Boticelli, and others think about that statement (N.B.: No I don't remember who did which of these, if you're curious, look them up yourselves):
This one is getting a little bit hippy by current Nanny State standards:
This one more so, but she has a very nice butt:
This one is even getting a tad lumpy:
This one carries the extra weight very well:
So does this one, though the guy carrying her looks like he might disagree:
This one is even a little top-heavy (and not in the boobs), a departure from the pear shapes of the others:
Um, okay, the cellulite detracts a little, but still not bad:
Oh look, three butts! Triple your pleasure, triple your fun:
Three butts and another touch of cellulite:
And talk about a pear shape! Ms. Grenfell would go into conniptions:
Four more pears:
I'll stop now. I think I've made my point. I'll just finish up with a few of the positive comments:
Shame on you and anybody else who takes issue with normal size women living accomplished lives.Right frickin' on.If this girl wants to be curvy, let her, if someone else wants to impersonate skeletor let them. [Ed: I know which I'd prefer; bony chicks hurt]
She looks fab and is a great role model to show that not everyone who is beautiful is a size 6!
Posted by Ken S at April 11, 2008 08:08 PM | TrackBack (0) |
Photobucket saw fit to kill most of those pics.
Bastards.
As the poster girl for life-long fat chicks, I just want to say that this crazy bitch is on my list. I think people like her have an eating disorder too, except that they have to control OTHER people's eating, rather than their own....
This country (and now the rest of the world) is being sold a crock of shit about weight and health. And cholesterol. And hormones. And what's "good" and "bad" to eat. The truth is, we just don't have enough data about how metabolism works. Until then, we should do what makes us feel better. Period.
And for the record, BMI is the #1 turd in the aforementioned crock of shit.
Some might say it's sour grapes because I'm fat, but the truth is, I have more at stake than most, so I have done the research most sheeple never bother with.
Posted by: caltechgirl at April 11, 2008 09:17 PMoh, and I think she's lovely. Wish I looked so good in a swimsuit. Rock on, sister!
Posted by: caltechgirl at April 11, 2008 09:17 PMalso, for clarification, the former post (above) refers to the batshit "nutritionist" and the latter refers to the beauty queen.
in case anyone was confused, or thought I should comment again, you know.
Posted by: caltechgirl at April 11, 2008 09:19 PMI'm sorry, Caltech girl, I have to disagree. Miss England is NOT lovely.
She's freakin' HAWT.
Posted by: Boy Named Sous at April 11, 2008 10:02 PMOh, and in response to the question from that anorexiphillic Harpy:
Can someone enlighten me, (male or female) just what is attractive about huge hips and enormous thighs, calves and ankles?
I like the phrase going around these days: Built for comfort, not for speed.
Posted by: Boy Named Sous at April 11, 2008 11:15 PM*applauds*
I am SO FECKING SICK of the hysteria about weight - the way it has spread from "People who weigh 600 pounds are at increased risk" to the "nutritionists" and others saying "If you're not a stick figure, you are ugly, lack self-control, will die soon AND THEN I WILL LAUGH AS I DANCE ON YOUR GRAVE"
Look, some of us just CAN'T achieve a size 4. Some of us can't even achieve a size 8 or even 10 without basically giving our lives over to starvation diets and exercise. And why the hell should we, just to satisfy some genetically-unusual person's view that THEIR reality should be everyone's reality.
I wear a size 16 (US) and some days I feel like I'm bigger than an elephant because of all the hysteria. And I don't like feeling like that.
What I really hate? The fact that to these people, the fact that I eat healthfully and exercise every day counts for NOTHING. To them, I am a fat slug who might as well be driving without a seatbelt, mainlining lard and sugar, and staring directly at the sun. Because I got fat because I'm too stupid to live, apparently. And because I don't get thin, I obviously don't value my life.
Posted by: ricki at April 12, 2008 05:24 AM"I think people like her have an eating disorder too, except that they have to control OTHER people's eating, rather than their own...."
CTG, I think I love you.
Can we get that into the next DSM? Called something like "projective anorexia"?
Posted by: ricki at April 12, 2008 05:26 AMThose pieces of art...I've seen most of them before but seeing them all together makes me see them a little differently.
And you know? Without being TOO revealing, when I step out of the shower and see myself in the mirror, what I see looks a LOT more like one of those women (particularly the first pear-shape) than ANY "supermodel" living today.
How did we get here? Making women that 250 years ago or so would have been the subject of paintings feel like there's something wrong with them for looking like they do.
You know? This is kind of why I hate some women. Because they do this kind of stuff to us. They make us hate ourselves and think there's something wrong with us so they can be superior. (NONE of my male friends has ever commented on my size. One, in fact, one day when I was bemoaning being "fat" kind of cocked his head to one side and said something like, "You don't look so bad to me")
Sorry to rant on so long but this is one of the things that gets to me at a very deep level - that feeling of being "less feminine" or "having something wrong with me" because I'm not some single-digit tiny size.
Posted by: ricki at April 12, 2008 05:39 AMSo ladies, since you seem to approve of my comments (and thank you for that), I trust you will send some nice cheesecake pics?
And Ricki, after having listened to nutjob feminists for years going on about how the patriarchy does this to women, I've also noticed that it seems to be other women, rather than men, who do it most.
Posted by: Ken S, Fifth String on the Banjo of Life at April 12, 2008 06:00 AMAgreed, Emily (as you might've guessed from my URL!).
Let's not forget, Marilyn Monroe was a size 12 -- "enormous" by this woman's standards.
Here's Ms. Grenfell's website.
I can categorically state that I'd much rather do naughty, naughty things with Ms. Marshall than I would with Ms. Grenfell. Especially the way she looks in that first picture you have here.
"Beavis, I have seen the top of the mountain...and it is good."
Posted by: Tainted Bill at April 12, 2008 06:32 AMJulie,
Ken wrote this post, not me. But I totally agree with every flipping word. Not only that - I'm sorry, but I seriously think that beautiful woman looks a lot healthier, prettier, happier, more feminine and sexier than any of those "heroin chic" twigs that have the bodies of a ten-year-old boy. Those women look ill. They are probably more likely to die from a heart attack at 38. They are the ones whose bodies are literally digesting themselves from lack of nutrition.
I don't have a lot of issues with this, because I'm just a regular-sized girl, maybe 10 lbs "overweight" by the standards of Los Angeles. When I hear what great ladies like Ricki and CTG have to say about it - the way people like this anorexanazi bitch make them feel - that starts to change. That attitude pisses me off. As long as a woman feels comfortable in her own skin, as long as she's happy about her size (and isn't lying to herself about it), good for her. It's nobody's business otherwise.
Obsessing about your weight, especially compared to other women, isn't healthy at ALL. It's one thing to want to be fit and like the way you look. But getting outright competitive about it, wanting to be the skinniest girl in the room, starving yourself, constantly worrying about the way you look? That's not health. That's fucking VANITY.
Posted by: Emily, Xenu's Handmaiden at April 12, 2008 07:39 AMApologies to Ken and Emily... that's what I get for getting up early to catch up on blogs... :-)
Posted by: Julie at April 12, 2008 08:38 AMNo biggie, Julie. I just wanted to sort out which one of us was more likely to post pictures of naked chicks around here.
Posted by: Emily, Xenu's Handmaiden at April 12, 2008 08:49 AM"The range of body types that is pleasing to my eye is fairly wide, perhaps wider than for most men though I doubt it."
I think there was actually a survey on exactly this issue at some point somewhere, and the general male perception of "attractive" drops off MUCH faster by percentage underweight as by percentage overweight (whatever that means). Give me a girl with yummy feminine curves over some emaciated stick any day, please.
But picking up on some things both Ken and Emily said, I think most of the sick, vain and disturbing aspect of this doesn't have anything at all to do with guys: it has to do with women cattily competing with eachother, or with their perception of eachother, in a way that is more aggressively vicious and hateful toward eachother than I can imagine guys being.
Posted by: Dave J at April 12, 2008 08:54 AMDave,
I totally agree. Women are much harder on each other. That catty competitiveness is the reason why I don't have too many female friends. Women can be ruthlessly stupid, jealous, and mean to each other. I can't stand it.
I had a friend in college who was like that. She was a very smart, funny, intelligent, pretty girl, but she was incredibly vain. She constantly obsessed about her weight and looks. It got to be obnoxious. When we would go out with a group of girls, if a guy liked one of us over her - even if it was a guy she wasn't even remotely interested in - she'd get pissy because he wanted someone other than her. She could never get over it. She was a really great person outside of that, but it still drove me nuts.
Posted by: Emily, Xenu's Handmaiden at April 12, 2008 09:27 AMBeing well on the "fat bottomed" side of things, I appreciate this post enormously. Thanks, Ken.
For the most part, I am comfortable with myself. Would I like to be thinner? Sure. Do I want to starve myself to achieve that? No. But still, you do occasionally buy into the B.S. women like this sell, and you start to feel bad about yourself.
It always makes me feel better when my husband comments on other women being too skinny. He is awesome.
My point is, if it doesn't matter to me, and my husband loves me for who I am, why should this woman care what size I am? How is this hurting her?
And to everyone who said this, I agree...it is other women being critcal, not men. It really is as if they have to make themselves feel better by putting others down. The self-esteem issue is theirs, so they try to make it ours.
The Miss England contestant in question is unquestioningly beautiful. Next Friday, I believe I will have some choice words for the skinny bitch who would have her think otherwise.
Posted by: Maggie May at April 12, 2008 01:25 PMMaggie,
The FFOT is open through the weekend, if you need to blow off some steam. :)
Personally, I think the BMI is an officially sanctioned torture method. I'd like to put a bunch of those fat nazis on a weight reduction program similar to the one suggested by The Bard in A Merchant of Venice.
I also appreciate a full bodied woman, not The Bride of Skeletor. I fully sympathize, having fought a weight problem most of my adult life, in part due to my having to follow the military's version of BMI (which finally got around to be practical some 10-15 years ago, and actually allowed for some body fat).
Grenfell can indeed go to hell.
Besides, nothing puts a damper on intimate ardour like the fear of cracking your lover's ribs.
Posted by: Boy Named Sous at April 12, 2008 09:51 PMTrue, Brian - or the inability to find your lover hiding behind the empty coat rack. Grenfell's a tool.
Posted by: nightfly at April 13, 2008 02:33 AMFat bottomed girls indeed!
I echo the sentiments here. I am a large man married to a large woman and I wouldn't have it any other way. I think the Miss England finalist is gorgeous. Certainly wish these folks like Grenfell would get off their high freakin horses.
Posted by: Cullen at April 13, 2008 08:32 AMI just clicked over to Grenfell's site out of curiosity. I don't think some broad hawking books with titles like Crash Diet should be lecturing other people about health issues. Fuck you, lady. Really. Crash diets are worse for you than being overweight. It's BAD for a human being to lose weight quickly. It's usually an indication of illness. Get off your high horse, indeed.
Posted by: Emily, Xenu's Handmaiden at April 13, 2008 08:49 AMAccording to her site, Grenfell has written a book called "The Revenge Diet." Here is an excerpt:
"If you meet your lost love, the man you're trying to impress or any of the other flotsam and jetsam who've littered your life with misery, you'll show them that you won't be beaten, you won't let them get you down and you only have room for people and things who contribute something to your life - not drain you."
Seriously. Cue "I Will Survive" and then "It's Raining Men." Apparently all you have to do to be a hot piece of ass and get "revenge" on people is lose weight.
It's Emmet Fox's Golden Fucking Key, people. And it's low protein, complex carbohydrate and tummy-flattening. Well fuck me gently with a chainsaw! Who knew?
As for Chloe, she is a beauty. She appears to embody that thing that my sainted grandmother has been trying to drill into my head since I was a child: To Thine Own Self Be True. She gets it. She's happy with Chloe.
Posted by: Susanna at April 13, 2008 09:16 PMBuilt for comfort beats built for speed in my book any day of the week.
Posted by: Mr. Bingley at April 14, 2008 04:01 AM